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Contents 1 Naming the Expressway 2 Southern terminus 2.1 Straw poll 3 SPUI 4 Zilwaukee Bridge 5 Exit Lists, anyone? 6 The Interstate 75 in Florida page is here

[edit] Naming the Expressway

Would Interstate 75 name it Detroit-Atlanta Freeway? It's a great name for that. I love to travel from Detroit to Atlanta every weekend.

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No. I-75 in the north starts in Upper Michigan at Sault Ste. Marie (well north of Detroit) and ends in south Florida past Naples, Florida. I-75 technically ends in Miami, Florida if you include the Alligator Alley.

Alligator Alley should be included because I-75 continues south after the end of the Alley at US-27. TrbleClef 22:42, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Alligator Alley received its I-75 signs in 1993; the actual southern terminus is an interchange with three Florida State Roads (Palmetto Expressway, Gratigny Parkway, and SR 916) in Hialeah, Florida. In the early planning stages (1960s), I-75 was originally planned to follow along the Tamiami Trail, not Alligator Alley, and the (now) Dolphin Expressway to a junction with I-95 in downtown Miami. The plan was abandoned in the 1970s. 147.70.242.39 15:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

U.S. Highway 23 acts as a wormhole for I-75 near the Detroit area; should we mention in the notes that US-23 acts as a bypass for I-75 between Flint and Toledo? --SuperDude 07:58, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Southern terminus

Do we really need all three highways listed in the routebox? I'm inclined to say only list SR 826, since it's the intersecting/cross road at the terminus. SR 916 is the apparent continuation, and precedent is not to list these: there's no mention of I-20 business loop at the eastern end of I-20. SR 924 seems to be a surface street coming in through the spaghetti. —C.Fred (talk) 02:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, the continuation is SR 924, the Gratigny Parkway, which is an expressway as is SR 826 (Palmetto Expressway). State Road 916 is the surface street to which C.Fred is referring, and can be dropped without anybody (but the locals) noticing. But both expressways at the southern terminus should be mentioned as both are significant. [1]B.Wind 03:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The idea of an infobox is to give general information, so someone can look and see "aha, that's what this road is". This is why I'm using "near Miami" rather than "in Hialeah". How about a compromise:

• SR 826/SR 924 near Miami, FL

--SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 09:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• I would think a city that is twice the size of Orlando is significant enough for its own merit - and the residents of Hialeah would have no such difficulty agreeing to it as well. As it is, there appeared to have been a compromise by dropping SR 916 from the box. If Hialeah is "near Miami" then St. Petersburg is "near Tampa." 147.70.242.39 23:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• Going by precedent, I say to put "near Miami" in the infobox and "in Hialeah" in the body of the article. I'm looking at Interstate 30, which has its eastern terminus near Little Rock/in North Little Rock; North Little Rock is the third-largest city in Arkansas. But it's splitting hairs; Hialeah is a large enough city to stand on its own, IMHO. —C.Fred (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• The anon is a bit off on the stats (Hialeah has about 230,000 people, the fifth largest in Florida, but Orlando will most likely pass it by 2010), but he(?) makes a good point. When you say "going by precedent", does that mean that something that ends in Oakland is "near San Francisco" or "near Sacramento"? That something in Fort Worth is "near Dallas"? For a group of people who which to provide accuracy and legibility, saying that I-75 ends "near Miami" rather than "in Hialeah" is rather befuddling - in fact, to reach Miami from there, one must cross a city of 230,000 -- and then two or three others along the way, that is, unless one wishes to go diagonally along US 27 until encountering an extension of the City of Miami that contains Miami Jai-Alai... and that's really reaching for it. Let's make it accurate instead of fudging it - we've already "fudged it" by dropping the reference to SR 916 - and move forward. B.Wind 03:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Size isn't everything - the point of an infobox is to give general information. Many more people know Miami than Hialeah. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 07:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

What does that have anything to do with accuracy? Size isn't everything - if that's the case, SPUI, you would have left the Hialeah reference alone... as you should. 147.70.242.39 23:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Look up accuracy in the dictionary. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 05:31, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Telling people to look things up in the dictionary is not helpful, and doesn't improve your position. Furthermore if everyone calls Hialeah 'somewhere near Miami' than of course no one will know of Hialeah. (Disclaimer: I live in neither Hialeah nor Miami) TimL 22:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• This argument is ridiculous. If the southern terminus is located in Haileah, then there is no reason why it should state anything other than Haileah as the southern terminus. Telling people it is "near Miami" is not a precise location, and it is misleading. Just because Miami is a more well-known location doesn't mean anything if it is not the right location. (Notorious4life 21:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Straw poll

Based on the discussion above, it looks like "in Hialeah" is the favored verbage for the southern terminus, instead of "near Miami". What is everybody's opinion, just so I can get a feel for where we collectively stand?

• In Hialeah. —C.Fred (talk) 01:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• In Hialeah. — Я не имею никакой жизни 02:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Near Miami. --Evan Seeds (talk) 02:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• near Miami, FL. The point of an infobox is to give a general idea of the subject. "Near Miami" is just as correct as "in Hialeah", and is more useful, as Miami is better-known. Hialeah can be in the intro text where space is not at a premium. --SPUI (T - C - RFC - Curpsbot problems) 02:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Near Miami - while Hialeah is a good-sized city, it is included in the urbanized area whose designation is Miami, i.e. Hialeah is essentially a suburb of Miami. This is similar to the case of the eastern terminus of I-80. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Polaron (talk • contribs).
• Near Miami - per above. I recognise Miami but not Hialeah and I consider myself totally separate from US Highways, what with living in the UK. If one wants to know roughly where it is (and knows nothing of the USA), Miami would be useful in the infobox. If they want to know exactly where it is, they can read the article. --Celestianpower ^háblame 12:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Near Miami - Even the FWHA site says I-75 ends in Miami and it doesn't even mention Hialeah. Furthermore, many of those people referenced above are professed SPUIstalkers and really care what the box says as long as it is anti-SPUI. KelleyCook 16:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Please refrain from personal attacks. JohnnyBGood t c 17:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• In Hialeah, why should Interstate 75 and 80 be unique? All other interstates point to where the physical road ends. Saying Hiaheah is a suburb of Miami is like saying Oakland is a suburb of San Francisco. It's just not true. JohnnyBGood t c 16:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do you say that? In the specific case of Oakland, the urban area is, in fact, designated by the Census Bureau as "San Francisco-Oakland", a multi-core urban area. Oakland is therefore a different case than Hialeah. Polaron 17:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well the censue bureau has never been that smart. San Jose is infact the largest and prime city in that particular region and has been for 10 years, but the census guys still haven't gotten with the times on that either. In this case however I-75 ends 15 miles from the Miami city line, in Hialeah. Why beat around the bush? JohnnyBGood t c 17:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. San Jose is an entirely separate urban area. Also, it has nothing to do with the fact that Hialeah is a suburb of Miami. Polaron 17:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

By the reasoning that since Hialeah and Miami are in the same SMSA, so are Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach, as their counties are also part of the area designated by the Bureau of the Census. That would mean that West Palm Beach, 50 miles north of Miami, is also "near Miami." Also, to say that Hialeah is a suburb of Miami ignores its history as the two cities "grew together" over the 80-plus years of the incorporation of Hialeah in 1925. B.Wind 05:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

No, since those areas are in separate metropolitan divisions, and are classified as "central places". Hialeah is not designated as a central place. In any case, that still doesn't change the fact that Hialeah is a suburb of Miami. Polaron 06:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• In regards to B.Wind's comment above, he is exactly right. To say that the southern terminus is "near Miami" is not a specific location, and it can denote anywhere within a 50 mile radius of Miami. To say "near Miami" could be refering to any of the 150 different named locations within the metropolitan area. It also intentionally ignores the respectability and notability of the city of Haileah, the fifth largest city in the state of Florida. — Я не имею никакой жизни 12:06, 02 May 2006 (UTC)

• Near Miami. "Near" is commonly used for these designations, and "Miami" is much more informative than "Hialeah" because fewer people know the location of Hialeah. Later, in the text of the article, the exact terminus can be specified. -Will Beback 18:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• In Hialeah for the reasons posted higher up on this Talk Page. The terminus is in a city larger in population than Orlando - and in fact, to get to Miami from there, one must cross this city of 230,000 people in any of three directions, two of which require crossing yet another city along the way. The United States Post Office doesn't consider Hialeah part of Miami - its ZIP Codes start with 330 instead of Miami's 331 and 332. B.Wind 02:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
• Near Miami in the infobox, and Hialeah specified in the article. older ≠ wiser 23:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SPUI

Any further reverts of 'in Hialeah" by user SPUI should be considered vandilism. TimL 02:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. (Notorious4life 04:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC))

Please don't be daft. You can't just "make" something vandilism. [sic] If someone exceeds three reverts, then use the 3RR noticeboard.
brenneman^{L} 06:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• In light of the poll above, the argument could be made that any reverts of "in Hialeah" by user SPUI are now actually vandalism cleanup! —C.Fred (talk) 00:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Nonsense. User:SPUI is never right. JohnnyBGood t c 01:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• That statement alone shows bias against SPUI. Evan Seeds (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Explain that statement please. JohnnyBGood t c 01:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• I wouldn't say that, and I'm not on his side in the naming dispute. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• It was a joke ;). I'm sure he's right sometimes. JohnnyBGood t c 23:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• I should've smilied my comment. :) I don't necessarily always agree with his means, but I can see the rationale for the end in this specific case. —C.Fred (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• I doubt you're alone in that sentiment. Several users have expressed similar opinions. I think that's the only reason he hasn't been permenantly blocked up to now. JohnnyBGood t c 01:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zilwaukee Bridge

No mention is made of the Zilwaukee Bridge in this article. The old bridge was the only bascule bridge on the entire length of 75. The traffic backups were legendary. --Brad101 16:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exit Lists, anyone?

Who here wants to work on Exit lists by state? They've got them on I-95, they should be here too. DanTD 14:23, 24 June 2006 (EST)

No they shouldn't be on this main page as they take of huge amounts of space. If you want to add exit lists, follow SPUI's example with Interstate 75 in Georgia, create individual state pages and put them there. For that matter the lane configurations should be moved there also.

So, we can make the lists into new pages with links to the I-75 page. DanTD 17:00, 26 June 2006 (EST)

[edit] The Interstate 75 in Florida page is here

I just started the Interstate 75 in Florida page. I'm calling for any interested Wikipedia members to edit the site and add whatever information they can. DanTD 19:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)