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[edit] Disney's Haunted Mansion
I moved the page from "Disney's Haunted Mansion" to "The Haunted Mansion". Many Disney properties have "Disney's" as part of their official names (like Disney's Grand Floridian Resort or Disney's The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad), but the Haunted Mansion is not one of them. Brian Kendig 13:14, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Flowery language
As fascinating as this article is, it needs to be more about detached facts and less like it's written by Disney to get you in the HM mood. It's an encyclopedia. It can use some tweakings.
[edit] Pepper's Effect?
The article mentions "Pepper's Effect" to explain the dancing ghosts in the ballroom, but it links to a non-existent article. Could someone please flesh out the meaning of this?
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- The term is actually "Pepper's Ghost." The effect uses a half glazed mirror or glass with a bright room or object behind it. With appropriate lighting, the person observing the effect being in dark or half dark, sees the room behind the glass without observing the glass at all. At the appropriate moment, a light is shined on a person or object in front of the mirror, but not visible to the person observing the effect so that they see the object reflected in the glass at the same time they are seeing the room behind the glass. It appears to the observer that the newly illuminated object has mysteriously appeared in the room behind the glass. This effect is used in The Grand Hall scene of the Haunted Mansion where the Grand Hall is behind the glass and the ghosts which appear and disappear are underneath the attractions omnimover cars carrying the guests. As the lighting on the ghosts fades in and out, the ghosts appear and disappear in the Grand Hall.
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- The illusion is named after John Henry Pepper, a professor of chemistry at the London Polytechnic Institute, who developed the effect for use in a theater in 1862.
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- Reference: Surrell, Jason (2004) The Haunted Mansion: From The Magic Kingdom to the Movies, Disney Editions, New York (p. 72)
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- Bill 04:41, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
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- Someone has now written an article about the effect. I added mention of the HM ballroom to that article. —Datameister 02:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Movie
What about that Disney movie that's based on Haunted Mansion? --Abdull 20:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
- Here you go: The Haunted Mansion (movie). I've put a wikilink in the See also section of this article in case anyone happens to be looking for the film, but they are more than likely going to be looking for the attraction, not the sub-par film. --Evanwohrman 06:59, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Music
I've written an article about the Mansion's theme song, Grim Grinning Ghosts. Anyone who knows what they're talking about is welcome to contribute. —Datameister 02:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Phantom Manor Narration
I corrected the statement about the narration by Vincent Price was 'never used'. Yes, it was used, as I visited the park soon after opening and went on the attraction several times. HOWEVER, it was removed due to complaints from the French guests. If I made any spelling errors in the update, feel free to correct them. --The Manator E 19:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Backstory or Fancruff?
The Backstory Section contains this intresting lead:
- The story behind the ghosts of the Haunted Mansion, while having many theories, as well as even some names, has never been completely set in stone. However, one common story, according to the writers of at least one fan site, goes as follows
As a wikipedian this really concerns me, as this implies that we're not actually getting the imagineer's backstory but rather one some (possibly non notable) fan site came up with, I suggest we eithier remove this section or get the facts from a more reliable source. -Deathawk 23:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed - There certainly is a backstory, but surely not this detailed. Marc Davis, one of the imagineers who worked on the HM is quoted as saying about the ride (http://www.doombuggies.com/insiders_davis.htm) "this was not a story telling medium. These attractions at Disneyland and Disney World are experiences - but they are not stories!". While this stuff is based on elements of the ride I don't think there's a place for what amounts to fan-fiction in an article like this. Flubbit 15:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- I say get rid of the backstory or at least replace it with info on the stories from the SLG comic as well as the new story, reported here at MiceAge to be added to Disneyland's Mansion[1] ==FigmentJedi 00:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. There is a definite storyline, even though the implementation doesn't quite make it obvious. The SLG comic has some nice touches, but it doesn't connect at all with the Imagineers' intent. --Joe Sewell 17:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- The story is an amalgome of different designers. Ultimately, the mansion does not have a straightforward story. However, whoever wrote the storyline for the attraction had a good degree of imagination. the only basic concepts are that the house is cursed, the rooms change, the narrirator hung himself, ghosts found the mansion a refuge, Leota, trapped in the crysal ball has mystical talent enough to summon the dead, the dead are playful (party scene, graveyard scene), and ghosts want a way out (hitchhiking ghosts).
- I also agree, fan fiction does not belong in an encylopedia article, especially not at this length. — Walloon 16:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I put in a disclaimer before the 'backstory', and I'm sure no one would object to it either. --Tme2nsb 21:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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- That doesn't change the fact that there's no references, and fanfiction does not belong ANYWHERE in the article. --InShaneee 00:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Architectural style
I have changed the reference to the Magic Kingdom version being in a "New England" style. It is clearly designed in a Gothic Revival style, which originated in England and Northern Europe and can be found throughout the Eastern seaboard in the U.S., and inland as well. While early planning for the Disneyland Haunted Mansion in the 1950s included an appearance by the Headless Horseman from The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, that story is set along the Hudson River in New York, not in New England. In fact, one of the themes of that story is the cultural contrast between the Yankee Ichabod Crane from Connecticut and the Dutch farmers of Sleepy Hollow. And nobody lives in a mansion in that tale; the prosperous Van Tassel farmhouse is nearest thing (and that's not very near!). — Walloon 00:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Spaces
Why are there so many blank gaps in this article? It wasn't there before :-X Small5th
[edit] Attraction Facts
The Attraction Facts indicates that the Haunted Mansion is an "E" ticket ride. Although this may be historically accurate, Disneyland has not sold letterd tickets for attractions in some time. Perhaps this historical fact should be moved to "Facts and Trivia." — A2Z 19:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 2006 Attic Update
I removed any speculation about the bride being connected to the old room with the rose in the stretching room. This has not been confirmed nor denied. It does not belong in the wiki because this is only speculation, and speculation does not belong in the wiki. Let's try to keep theories out of this (although with the disclaimer, we can keep the fanfiction 'backstory', I suppose.) Also, let's please leave out rumours of the Hatbox Ghost. No one has ever mentioned it as part of the update, so, until we hear some hard news, it does not need to be mentioned. All of the future updates in the addition into Leota's scene and the Hitchhiking Ghosts has been confirmed by several sources close to Disney. (please don't correct my grammar. please :P) --Tme2nsb 22:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- There are a lot of speculations in this article. Each statement of fact, including the names of the people in the portrait and the name of the bride need to be verified and cited. The citations are listed below as bulleted items, but they should be cited in the article itself. If anyone has these references in their possession, please update them correctly. Bytebear 00:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Audio drama
I am very suprised that there is no mention of the radio drama that Ron Howard did back in the 1970s. This story was orginally put out in LP form and several years ago the drama was put on cassett tape for Halloween and an anniversary CD was created and sold in the parks. This information should have been included!!! Tpen 22:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe we should make clear here that what you call a "radio drama" was not created for radio, but for an LP record album. "Audio drama" would be a better term. The title of the album was The Story and Song from the Haunted Mansion, released by Disneyland Records in 1969. The reissue on cassette in 1998 was titled A Spooky Night In Disney's Haunted Mansion. More at the Doombuggies website. — Walloon 22:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
A little known fact about the radio drama. If you listen to the scene where the two teens enter the banquet hall, just before the organ plays... you can hear the song the magpies in Dumbo sing "When I see an Elephant Fly". The laughter is distinctly audible. Quite a fasinating bit of trivia. —Tpen 01:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's not a radio drama. — Walloon 23:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Soundtrack
I tried to organize the audio for the Haunted Mansion into a new section while adding a bit of info, I hope I did it right. --blm07 01:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Attraction infobox
I put in the attraction infobox recommended by Wikiproject Disneyland. Disneyfile 22:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
